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One-to-One: Does SAP "do" PLM?
September 19, 2008

I had the chance to talk with ... SAP this week at their ASUG user meeting and analyst day in Nashville. SAP debuted their updated PLM offering to customers and analysts alike, highlighting their progress against the roadmap that they announced last year. The release is due out at the end of the year. There was a lot to talk about as SAP is delivering a significant step forward in their product roadmap for PLM. I get questions all the time about whether SAP "really has PLM" or "when SAP will have PLM" so I am going to devote today's and at least one more of my "One to One" posts on trying to answer that question for companies.

So does SAP do PLM?
SAP has a PLM offering, and has had it from some time. Perhaps the question has always been "what is PLM?" The market has been very broad in the definition of PLM, and SAP has clearly had a lot to offer. But does it really do what other PLM system from the likes of Dassault Systemes, Oracle (Agile), PTC, Siemens PLM or others do? Let's face it, SAP is the dominant ERP platform on the planet, and many manufacturers have invested heavily and consider themselves an "SAP shop." These companies would like to extend their SAP investment to cover PLM (among other things), to the point where execs and/or IT often dictate that SAP should be used unless it just won't work. So then the question is, why isn't everybody using SAP PLM?

Integrated Suite or Best of Breed?
Some PLM vendors get upset when they hear me say this, but I think we all need to acknowledge that most manufacturers would like the benefits of having a single, integrated solution for all of their enterprise software needs. After all, you don't see people stitching together a best of breed (BoB) financial package with BoB inventory control, manufacturing, planning, and procurement. Or do you? SAP (and ERP in general) had order management before the Customer Relationship (CRM) Management market came around and stepped it up a notch. ERP had manufacturing planning before Supply Chain Planning (SCP) came along and offered more advanced capabilities. ERP had manufacturing control but there is still a vibrant Manufacturing Execution Systems (MES) / Manufacturing Operations Management (MOM) market - ask SAP, they just bought Visiprise. So clearly ERP is not meeting all of the needs that users have - or at least not for all companies. PLM is no exception.

Have I answered the Question?
I know, I know... answer the question, I sound like a politician. But unfortunately the answer is not simple. A company needs to examine their business closely to determine whether SAP PLM, another PLM, or some combination is best for them. Sorry, it's messy but that is reality. If you came here for a simple answer, it just doesn't exist. SAP doesn't have enough parity in PLM yet to make the value of using a single vendor and pre-built integration the only deciding factor. At least, not for everybody. But they are taking PLM seriously and SAP has absolutely earned the right to be considered for SAP shops. So no, I haven't answered the question but I will try to offer some guidance to you as a manufacturer to answer the question for your business. I will spend some more time on SAP's PLM in upcoming posts, including:

  • Who is SAP PLM good for?
  • What about design tools (CAD, CAE, ...)?
  • What about design tool integration?
  • What about work in process designs, will my engineers / designers "live" in SAP?
  • Where is the logical break between ERP and PLM (if any still exists)?
  • What about recipe management and PLM for the process industries?
  • What about portfolio management?
  • What about digital manufacturing?
  • What is next in SAP's roadmap and will they deliver?
  • What does this mean to the PLM market?

So many questions... If you let me know what you want to hear about, I'll do my best to accommodate. So that's what I hear from SAP, I hope you found it useful. What do you think? What else should I have asked them?


Posted by Jim Brown on September 19, 2008 | Comments (3)


September 23, 2008
In response to: One-to-One: Does SAP "do" PLM?
Martin commented:

Jim, again an interesting posting. I have been struggling with this question for over 12 years. For a long time I was responsible for interfaces between SAP and one of the other major "




September 23, 2008
In response to: One-to-One: Does SAP "do" PLM?
Martin commented:

Jim, again an interesting posting. I have been struggling with this question for over 12 years. For a long time I was responsible for interfaces between SAP and one of the other major PLM system suppliers and now I am working on SAP systems at a large engineering company. Perhaps the first question to answer is what do you mean by PLM ? SAP is definitely good for somethings - and there is definitely a charm for having everything in one box. But here are my thoughts about why this sometimes does not happen: a. politics - SAP implementations are often driven from logistics/production/sales/finance/HR etc. PLM in contrast often comes out of product development, research or engineering. Different departments want their own box. b. system focus - many SAP ERP implementations I know are biased/optimized towards the needs of logistics/production - hence can compromise the needs of PLM c. system rigidity - our designers want a system where they have the flexibility to design products - the transactional approach of SAP can sometime contradict this d. pains from previous ERP projects - I have often heard the statement: we had so many problems with our ERP implementation, for PLM we want to try something else e. system release cycles - if you have an ERP running stable you may not want to upset this by adding PLM functions, that may require shorter release cycles to get optimal solution f. modern enterprises I have witnessed are an odd collection of recently aquired companies/plants - each may bring their own ERP implementation - an independent PLM backbone can be used to quickly pull these together g. clunky GUI - most companies still use the classic SAPGUI client - this is definitely clunky compared to the slick WEB GUIs that some other PLM systems offer - these are often much more designer/engineer friendly h. digital engineering / digital mockup - in my opinion, what SAP offers in this respect has nothing to do with DMU i. economics - license costs/maintenance costs often come into play j. system loading - e.g. for CAD related work with large structures I am not for or against SAP - most of the time I work/live with SAP - but I can sympathize with those that implement PLM in another box. Note: if you implement SAP PLM in another box - you also have interfaces to be implemented.




September 24, 2008
In response to: One-to-One: Does SAP "do" PLM?
Jim Brown commented:

Martin, I have nothing to add except for a "thank you" for sharing your experience with the rest of us.





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